• Not all of them were.
• Yes it is. The Bible had writings added and removed up until the 15th century. The people in charge of Christianity were the ones who decided what is in its official version.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster is this just as believable?

Eagle, if you wish to ask me anything else. I will do my best to answer on discord. It's getting hard to keep track of stuff here. (Especially with qxva here too)

If want to ask me questions, you should message me on discord. It's getting convoluted and mixed up in these comments. I will answer all of your questions to the best of my abilities

I mean, if they were lying about it, I doubt all of them would have been willing to get tortured and die for it. Even if Jesus isn't God, they at least believed it

"Official" Christianity is not decided by church leaders. It's what is in the Bible, which none of them wrote.

• What do I need to explain? It's impossible to ensure that those witnesses were telling the truth, and even if they were we still have the other two issues with eyewitness testimony.
• These humans are/were in charge of the religion and whatever claim the religion makes has to go through them to be considered official. If they are corrupt (which they are), then so is the whole cult.

• who are you asking to explain what?
• isn't the leader of christianity the guy who wrote the book? why not just find a new leader who's alive like countries do when their leader dies?

Yes

• Explain
• My point still stands. Humans have the capacity of sinning. And I am very well aware of the terrible actions of religious leaders and I do not support any of that. However, if you want to be technical, the actual leader of Christianity is Jesus.

• nobody's said that to me but they've said it to others
• do you personally think it is reliable?

• I have never seen a Christian say that. And I apologize if someone actually said those words to you. Also, that doesn't really have anything to do with God not wanting you to go to hell
• I think you are confused. I'm not just making stuff up on the spot. Whenever I make a claim like that, I'm basing what I am saying off of the Bible. This of course raises the question of whether or not the Bible is reliable, but that is a separate topic.

1. how do you know? 2. wait, if wikipedia existed thousands of years ago and people thought the bible was the best source, would it have been used for sources? 3. hey royalshield, if you lie, a person from italy will swim in the ocean at 30mph nonstop to your house and write "no lying" on your wall

One word: Hypocrisy. Also, I'm pointing out the sins of the people in charge of the religion, they are not just anyone.

Well God Himself said so. So there is that. But just leads us back as to whether or not the Bible is reliable. People are known for lying. Biblical Christianity is actively against lying. You are pointing out the sins of individuals, not the sins of the religion. Which anyone could do for really anything.

• then why do christians threaten atheists saying "repent or go to hell" like they'd actually believe in that too?
• satan loves everyone equally even if you don't believe in him. so does hatsune miku
• yes religion doesn't make you bad, it's your actions. but what you said was unrelated and not what eagle was saying though

• God isn't real so what he "wants" is meaningless and there's not even a way to prove what you claim.
• Again, meaningless.
• No, it is not. Religion is known for lying, and they obviously lie about much more that you can imagine. Clearly there's no way to ensure that they don't lie about everything.

I'm not entirely opposed to the big bang. I just don't think something like that can be caused by nothing

• God doesn't want you to go to hell if it makes you feel better
• God loves everyone equally whether or not you believe in Him
• this is the equivalent of me saying that atheism is bad because of Stalin or some atheist who happened to be a bad person. Even ones who killed Christians. It's a fallacy

big bang theorist was a catholic by the way

I am referring to:

• Threat of eternal punishment (hell).
• Appeal to the innate human need to feel loved (God/Jesus loves you etc.)
• Lies that the church has told (middle ages, many protestant pastors of the current age)

Thats not a real response. You're just making accusations without even explaining what you are referring to. In what way was he a conman? Raising from the dead seems legit to me. Assuming that it happened of course

God doesn't exist and that conman was a human just like you and me. You have been indoctrinated by a parasitic faith built upon centuries of lies and manipulation through fear and appeal to emotion.

Humans can't. God can do a lot of things things that we would consider unnatural. He did create the universe after all

What doesn't exist cannot love me. And even if he ever existed he's long dead because people don't come back to life after three days.

Love can be one way

No

See what I mean, then?

I don't even know who that is 😭

I haven't been able to look at discord in several days because of travels. If you texted me, I'll answer it eventually.

Didn't we have this discussion? I thought you lost interest in this topic